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Words do have consequences

March 23, 2014

To the editor: I find the most unfortunate and intemperate choice of words uttered recently by 2008 Republican presidential nominee Sen....

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Hagrid

Apr-09-14 8:30 AM

eb, I was hoping you would do the honorable thing, and stand behind your own words.

I am still willing to present Republican healthcare plans, if you are willing to admit your error when I do so, and apologize for saying I was lying.

If I fail to do so, I will admit MY error, and admit I lied.

Agreed?

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Hagrid

Apr-08-14 2:11 PM

Today's Headlines:

REPORT: Obama To Attend Dem Fundraiser In TX Same Say As Fort Hood Memorial... (Wake UP America!)

STUDY: US sees sharpest insurance premium rise in years... (But, wasn't Obamacare supposed to SAVE us $2.500 a year?)

POLL: Pessimism over Obamacare spikes... (well, Duh!)

Gender Gap in White House Pay Draws Scrutiny...

CBSNEWS: WH 'Roughed Up By Its Own Pay Equity Rhetoric'...

CNN: 'Textbook Case of Do as I Say, Not as I Do'...

Holder claims 'vast amount' of discretion in enforcing laws... (Ah, NO. No more than we have vast amount of discression in breaking them.)

Protesters in Ukraine's East Call On Putin to Send Troops... (Looks like Obama/Kerry's plan is working!)

Americans Spend More on Taxes Than Food, Clothing, Housing -- Combined...

DETAILS: SHARPTON WAS FBI MOB SNITCH...

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Hagrid

Apr-05-14 3:32 PM

Axelrod admits Dems have 'major hurdles,' after new poll shows voters want Republicans in Congress

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Moteman

Apr-04-14 2:37 PM

I know little about Glenn Beck, but I do know bksneeze left out most of the story. I say bordering on lying.

bksneeze you haven't told the whole story about Glenn Beck, or why you left out all the details. I say you wanted to start trouble and are a partisan hack.

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Hagrid

Apr-04-14 1:38 PM

I'm a little concerned that you side with a Saudi on the terrorist watch lest over an american Patriot.

Please tell us what Beck, you find offensive. Off the top of your head, please. No need to spend hours researching. Obviously each has said something that you find offensive that is on the tip of your tongue.

By the way, you left off names like Stewart, Shultz, Maddow, Matthews. How come?

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bKnees

Apr-04-14 12:26 PM

Being held accountable for your words/actions is not just a liberal concept. Martin Bashir stepped over the line with his deplorable comment about Sarah Palin, slavery and fecal matter. Although not against the law, it was completely unacceptable by most civilized people. His apology was not enough and he was forced to resign. A pity more rude sensationalists like Beck, Limbaugh and Maher aren’t being asked to resign for their equally offensive behavior. I fear Americans are getting desensitized and rudeness is not only becoming acceptable but also admired by some. We should hold people to a better standard and it could start here with us.

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taydava66

Apr-04-14 9:06 AM

bknees posted this ----- Glenn Beck being sued for defamation. Yes, words do have consequences.

bknees why don't you quit trolling and tell us the whole truth instead of pinko liberal half truths. Your words have consequences being that no one believes a word you post.

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Hagrid

Apr-03-14 9:57 PM

"If workers struggle for higher wages, this is hailed as 'social gains'; if businessmen struggle for higher profits, this is*******as 'selfish greed'." - Ayn Rand

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Hagrid

Apr-03-14 11:02 AM

bknees, you forgot to mention that, Abdul Rahman Ali Al Harbi, a Saudi national, who was on the terrorist watch list, has been deported under the auspices of “national security“.

He had a visa to go to school in Findley, Ohio, but strangely had an apartment in Boston, Mass.

Shortly after the bombing, a meeting Secretary of State John Kerry was to hold with Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Saud Al-Faisal was abruptly closed to press coverage Tuesday morning.

While in the hospital, he was visited by the First Lady.

bknees, you will let us know how the law suit comes out, won't you?

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Hagrid

Apr-03-14 10:57 AM

eb: "I will be more than happy to admit that the republicans have a plan,"

"You know there is no plan."

Would you be more than willing to admit your mistake, when I produce a Republican plan/s?

"Stop punishing yourself with that lie."

Will you apologize for accusing me of lying, like an honorable person would do, when I produce a Republican plan/s?

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bKnees

Apr-03-14 9:58 AM

Glenn Beck being sued for defamation. Yes, words do have consequences.

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Echobravo

Apr-02-14 8:22 PM

I will be more than happy to admit that the republicans have a plan, BUT don't try to use Jindal's "part democrat plan. As this is how his idea (not plan states). Instead, Jindal offered the broad strokes of a plan full of popular goals – lowering costs, reducing Medicare and Medicaid fraud and wellness incentives – though short on details. It would also continue one of the most popular Obamacare reforms, guaranteed access for people with pre-existing conditions.

AGAIN, a talking point and SHORT ON DETAILS.

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Hagrid

Apr-02-14 8:55 AM

Yes, we have. Simply waiting to hear what you will do when you are finally informed. Not my fault or Fox News' that you choose not to have the facts.

How about this. If I produce a plan or plans, you will admit your error, and state that Fox News has facts, and you should watch and learn.

That sounds reasonable, considering your statements. Agree? After all, you've stated multiple times that there is no such plan, so you can't lose.

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Echobravo

Apr-02-14 12:39 AM

Oh, I forgot. Have you or fox found that republican plan yet?

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Echobravo

Apr-02-14 12:36 AM

How about we cross that road when we get there. The goal was set. Get over it. Just like many don't want to acknowledge Obama as a legit president, of course you, along with fox/limboy will say the goal was not reached. Sit back and watch whatever happens. That's all we can do.

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Hagrid

Apr-01-14 12:55 PM

eb: "I will be more than glad to acknowlege your findings."

Would you be glad to admit your error, perhaps apologize for spreading mis-information?

"Because in a majestically cynical move spearheaded by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., they tried late last year to kill it, calling it an insurance "bailout.""

If you read the bill, you would see that is exactly what it states.

What do you expect to happen with all these additional folks with medical needs entering Obamacare, with not enought young, healthy folks to paying in? Tell us how that will work, please.

While you are at it, tell us how Obamacare actually decreases health insurance costs. So far, it has done just the opposite for the vast majority.

I'm a little concerned about the validity of the 7 mil number, especially since the Healthcare**** web site was down a good part of the day.

From the WSJ:

New Technical Woes Hobble Health-Insurance Sign-Ups at Zero Hour

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Echobravo

Apr-01-14 10:25 AM

Hagrid: Let me ask again, eb. You claim there is no plan. What will you say/do if I show you one, or perhaps more?

I will be more than glad to acknowlege your findings. I was being sarcastic about graham. He is basically agreeing with parts of the ACA which means there is no "will" to fix the thing by republicans.

In the LA TIMES:

Moreover, as we explained way back in October, the ACA has a corrective to the death spiral written in. It's called risk adjustment, and it works by paying a subsidy to insurance companies that end up with older or sicker customer bases than they anticipated. The money comes from payments made by carriers that end up with favorable customer profiles. Republicans know this arrangement will keep Obamacare stable. How do we know? Because in a majestically cynical move spearheaded by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., they tried late last year to kill it, calling it an insurance "bailout."

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Hagrid

Apr-01-14 8:51 AM

Well, what do you know. Since this was known, why did the Obama administration and Hillary claim otherwise?

CIA officer confirmed no protests before misleading Benghazi account given

washingtontimes(dot)com/news/2014/mar/31/cia-ignored-station-chief-in-libya-when-creating-t/

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Hagrid

Apr-01-14 8:32 AM

eb: "You know there is no plan."

Interesting. You claim there is no plan, then immediately talk about Graham's comment on one of them.

Let me ask again, eb. You claim there is no plan. What will you say/do if I show you one, or perhaps more?

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Echobravo

Apr-01-14 12:47 AM

Hagrid YOU: And if I do produce a republican plan?

You know there is no plan. Stop punishing yourself with that lie. Oh today I saw lindsey graham say that the republicans plan includes no pre existing conditions and children can stay on until age 26. Hmmm Sounds much like the Dems plan..

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Hagrid

Mar-31-14 9:16 PM

eb, who has more "proof"?

Who should we believe, you, or the CEO of the Cleveland Clinic?

Cleveland Clinic CEO: 75% Now Have Higher Premium... cleveland.cbslocal(dot)com/2014/03/31/cleveland-clinic-ceo-three-quarters-of-americans-who-signed-up-for-obamacare-now-have-higher-premiums/

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Hagrid

Mar-30-14 6:11 PM

I am proof. That's good enough for me.

My proof is me and I am sure there are many others who feel the same."

All those who think EB is proof and think like he does, please speak up.

"WHAT PROOF can you post that has the republican plan that keeps getting shot down. I personally don't think you or fox can produce it."

And if I do produce a republican plan?

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Echobravo

Mar-30-14 10:16 AM

I am proof. I want it fixed as well as others. That's good enough for me. Whatever plan the dems shot down, WHAT WAS IT? Instead of all the stupid repeal votes, that energy could go toward what's good in it and what's not. Pre-existing conditions is what's good, the cost is what's bad. What is the republican solution? My proof is me and I am sure there are many others who feel the same. Since you ask for proof, WHAT PROOF can you post that has the republican plan that keeps getting shot down. I personally don't think you or fox can produce it.

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Hagrid

Mar-30-14 9:26 AM

eb, can you provide proof that folks want POLITICIANS to fix healthcare? Seems politicians have made a mess of it, as they do most things.

Why do you think the dems shot down every healthcare option the republicans offered? Please be specific. Hopefully, with reliable sources.

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Echobravo

Mar-30-14 8:17 AM

No one is disputing its disapproval, but perhaps your numbers are a little low. Nearly four years after the enactment of the Affordable Care Act more than half (53%) of Americans disapprove of the law — but most of those opponents now say they want politicians to make the law work, according to a new Pew Research Center study.

Note that many Americans want the ACA fixed by politicians and not 50 more futile votes to repeal it WITHOUT a plan to replace it. If you part your lips to say the republicans have a plan in place to replace it...WHAT IS IT. Just saying they have a plan is not a plan.

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