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Take a close look at the skies

December 1, 2013

To the editor: I am not going to attempt to scare you by presenting all the theories that exist about chemtrails vs. contrails. I do want to show you the difference and how to recognize each....

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RPG0340

Dec-01-13 8:53 AM

I know that there are a lot of tinfoil hat theories out there but this one is pretty far out there. The author fails too provide a reason for why said chemicals are being sprayed into the sky.

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Moteman

Dec-01-13 10:30 AM

Make a bigger tin foil hat Joe.

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maverick

Dec-01-13 10:45 AM

rpg, read it again. There are many theories for the spraying ranging from an effort to control weather to population control. All I ask is for people to monitor the skies to see the criss-cross patterns and the multiple use of jets. What do you think these planes are doing? You talk about tin foil hats. What about the horse blinders you guys are wearing. Watch the skies and when you see these planes spraying you tell me what you think they are doing? There is scientific studies that show that they are spraying aluminum oxide and barium. What do you think the purpose for this is?

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RPG0340

Dec-01-13 10:57 AM

Jets do have multiple uses. They can transport people, transport cargo, they can be used to eliminate threats to the country, they can even be used to rid the world of dictators. Do you know anything about aviation, pressure, altitude, etc.? Jet's are not spraying anything. As for your chemical study, how was the sample collected? What was the ppm of the sample?

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RPG0340

Dec-01-13 11:07 AM

As for the chemicals you claim are present in the "chemtrails" Aluminum Oxide could be explained as most aircraft are made predominantly from aluminum and titanium. Barium may be a byproduct of the burning of fuel at 30,000ft. I'd have to look that up. Like I said, you failed to provide reasonable statistics like PPM of the sample. Your losing of 200-2,000 animal species a year statistic is rather unfounded since it seems like a SWAG (scientific wild a** guess) and a poor estimate at best. If you would have stated 200-250 I might believe that. But with a margin of variation that large (200-2,000) it seems like more BS. Then you suggest that these jets are playing tic-tac-toe in the sky, it is very strange. You do realize that we are right in the flight path of air traffic to and from Pittsburgh, and Columbus, right?

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Hagrid

Dec-01-13 12:40 PM

Maverick, do you have any idea how many tons of alumninum oxide or barium would have to be dumped at 30,000 feet to get a few ppb at ground level?

Or how many ppb of either it would take to have a health effect on a human?

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maverick

Dec-01-13 12:59 PM

First, you guys know that one is limited to 500 words in these letters. So it is difficult to expand on info. But I suggest you do some research. You can see pics of the planes retrofittings that accommodate the spraying. You can find the criss-cross patterns that are not a common occurance especially at airports. Hagrid I don't kow the tonnage required or even used for spraying but I guess you don't either because you would have told me. I am not asking anyone to do more than check out the skies and then tell me what you think u r seeing.

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SusanL

Dec-01-13 4:12 PM

Mockers will mock, though I don't know why. All anyone has to do is look up to see that our skies look different than they did in the past. Why are they spraying is anyone's guess, but they ARE spraying. Another potential issue that may be related to this story is the soaring asthma rates, even as the air quality across the nation improves. Dismissing legitimate questions by name-calling is an indication of a lazy mind.

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Hagrid

Dec-01-13 5:13 PM

Depending on wind speed, a plane would have to dump tons of chemical from 30,000 to get a few ppb at ground level over hundreds, if not thousands of square miles.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they take a lot of people to keep their mouths shut. In this case, the folks who produced and shipped the chemicals, those who loaded it in the fuel or dispersing equipment, probably the pilots, at least.

All for a few ppb, which would do nothing. What would they have to gain?

If you two have any proof, from reliable sources, show us. You can't really expect us to do your research for you, do you?

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RPG0340

Dec-01-13 5:37 PM

Maverick, we were not the ones that wrote a letter to the editor about this stuff without posting any proof. The Criss-Cross patterns that you see are normal. The flight paths could be miles off but seem right on top of one another to the naked eye. I'd know, I work outside, I see these crossing jets all the time, if they were as close as my eye perceives them to be it would be all over the news. Where are these jets with no people flying from? I think you just got hold of a well written conspiracy theory that seems logical to you. What would Barium and Aluminum Oxide do if dispersed from an aircraft anyway? How about asking the Negus-in-chief since he knows so much about the environment. How about Algore?

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Crusty

Dec-01-13 5:38 PM

What is the reason that there are chemicals being sprayed on the population? Also, I would worry more about what is in your food...there are tons of chemicals in that...

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RPG0340

Dec-01-13 5:38 PM

Maverick, then you have the nerve to ask us to research it for ourselves. It was your dang letter. If anything you should explain it to us. If anyone asked I'd gladly stick up for something that I wrote.

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Crusty

Dec-01-13 6:07 PM

I agree with RPG and would like to see where this information originated. Are there peer reviewed scientific research published anywhere?

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maverick

Dec-02-13 12:53 AM

Thank you Sue, there is plenty of information out there and these guys who just think that conspiracies mean fallacies. That is all I asked is for people to watch the skies and you will see that for three days after they spray that the clouds will be gray. There are cases of weather forecasting questioning these clouds and the actual spraying but it only happened once in each instance and it was never discussed again. It is all going to come out because those who have started this spraying have painted themselves into a corner because the scientific community is asking questions and there are a multitude of illnesses being linked to the spraying. I only had 500 words to present this issue and I couldn't get into all the related issues and that is why I encouraged people to do their own research and to just watch the skies. Aluminum oxide and barium are toxic and the research is easy to acquire But these guys prefer to mock which is the sum total of contribution to this site.

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maverick

Dec-02-13 1:00 AM

@rpg and his clan. If you are interested in doing anything beyond the typical tin foil, kool aid drinking style comments you can do your own research but if not do me a favor go outside every afternoon and take several deep breaths and maybe we can use you guys as data in about a year. rpg if you work outside and see these criss - crossing of jets you should be smart enuf to know that the airport traffic doesn't criss cross like that and if you continue to watch the trails you will see them grow into cloud coverage. Personally I could care less if you ignore them because you wouldn't be proactive enough to try to et an explanation or to try to bring it to a halt. So continue doing what you do best and MOCK.

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RPG0340

Dec-02-13 9:25 AM

Maverick, I take many deep breaths outside. In addition to pretty much running 10+ miles a night, I also run, and ride a bicycle. Matter of fact, unless it is cold, I spend most of my day outside. The jets that are at 30k ft. criss-crossing aren't landing around here. The low flying jets (flying at a semi ideal height to spray a chemical) aren't leaving trails. The "clouds" you see are contrails dispersing (watch the power plant stack) the "smoke" is very thick at the top of the stack and then it expands in the sky looking like a cloud and then it disperses.

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RPG0340

Dec-02-13 9:35 AM

Maverick, I'd like to know where you got this idea from. Did you come up with it yourself? I'm not trying to be insulting but dang man, you wrote a letter to the editor yet you provide no scientific fact to back up your claim. If I wrote a letter claiming Negus Obama was actually Satan in the flesh, and has a room filled with burning coals in the west wing, and that is why there is steam that smells of rotten eggs coming from the vents of the White House, I'd expect the same from you.

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RPG0340

Dec-02-13 9:52 AM

OK Maverick, so I went and did some research about the "Chemtrail theory." What I found was that basically it is not an accepted theory at all within the scientific community. Even global warming has people that oppose and stand for it. This on the other hand does not. The only evidence to support it came from nutjobs that do wear tinfoil hats. Even their theories (an attempt to control weather, or blind enemy radar) aren't practical since most countries we'd square off against in a major war have more advanced technology than what could be blinded by spraying Aluminum Oxide in the air, and weather can never be completely controlled.

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RPG0340

Dec-02-13 10:03 AM

Since we are into conspiracy theories lets talk real ones. Where was Obama born? His grandma swears it was in Kenya. The Kenyan minister of tourism put up a sign for Barry's birthplace. The Negus-in-Chief even listed himself as being from Kenya in an informational pamphlet. He introduced himself as being a foreign student to the parents of Bill Ayres, and their mailman as well. What about the Saudis paying for his education. Where are his college transcripts. What about his birth certificate. What about his relationship with Larry Sinclair? Which one of his buddies benefitted from Solyndra? Why did he ship straw bought guns to Mexico? Why did he not approve air support or a QRF to rescue Chris Stevens and his security team? I've got many conspiricy theories. The thing is that most of mine are believeable.

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maverick

Dec-02-13 10:59 AM

rpg, you are offering nothing but your evaluation of whatever research you did because you didn't even site your sources. But you just supported my claims that these aircraft flying 30k altitudes are not from our airport but yet they spend hours in the sky changing direction and turning the spray on and off. That is why I asked you to watch them you can see them turn the spray off and then turn it back on. Your smoke stack analogy is not relevant. Smoke stacks bellow out huge plumes of smoke composed of many toxic elements but they do so at less than a thousand feet. Smoke stacks are just that they vent smoke from burnt coal. These jets are spraying chemicals not venting fuel waste. If you do choose to watch the skies you will see these planes spraying from the wings, the body and the tail. Because I have seen these chemtrails being produced doesn't mean that I know their purpose. I could quote different theories. I avoided doing that because there is an abundance of speculation.

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maverick

Dec-02-13 11:04 AM

rpg, just do one thing. Since you are outdoors more than the average person. When you see the jets aat high altitudes and they are criis-crossing the sky and repeating parallel trails watch to see if the trail stops for a noticeable amount of time and also pay attention to the trails. See how long they continue to widen out and the become their own cloud formation and then notice if they turn into a gray haze for a couple days. These are things that contrails do not do. Then we can discuss the theories and what they are composed of and why they are spraying.

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Hagrid

Dec-02-13 11:48 AM

"You can see pics of the planes retrofittings that accommodate the spraying."

Are the folks who retrofitted these planes part of the conspiracy theory? The mechanics who maintain the planes, folks who load the barium, and the pilots, also?

"You can find the criss-cross patterns that are not a common occurance especially at airports."

So, planes do not fly north and south, or is it that they do not fly east and west?

Planes that are landing do not fly at 30,000 feet.

"If you do choose to watch the skies you will see these planes spraying from the wings, the body and the tail."

What type of binoculars do you use to see spraying from those exact locations on the planes? What type of planes are they?

How do they keep the contrails in place, given the wind speeds at that altitude?

You have yet to provide any proof. The tin foil hat fits.

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RPG0340

Dec-02-13 12:00 PM

Maverick, there are other airports in the USA. I did not say that planes were criss-crossing over and over again. In case you do not understand English I was referring to the fact that their paths appear to intersect but that in reality they were likely several miles from being as close as they look. You are diving deep into the realm of the looney. I've never seen a contrail become a cloud. Wind, especially at high altitude would disperse anything that remotely resembled a cloud. Have you ever seen a weather forecast? Clouds just do not stay in one place. Even a 5 mile wind can affect the flight path of a bullet from a rifle, so much so that it could cause a miss at a relatively short range. Yet you suggest that a plane can essentially create a cloud that can stay in one place for days?

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maverick

Dec-02-13 2:04 PM

Hagrid you can't that dumb to think that people who load planes or do any type of maintenance are in the loop. In the military you are told to do something and keep your mouth shut. But guess what a girl has come forward who worked on an airbase and had to check everything that comes into the base to ensure that if there were a leak or a fire would the hazmet be prepared to deal with it. She discovered that aluminum oxide and barium were coming into the base but had no records of the stuff leaving the post, at least by truck. Your comment asking how you keep contrails in place that is not the problem because they are not contrails they are chemtrails. By the way you don't need binoculars to see the spray coming from 5 or 6 locations on the plane. When you guys ask these questions be prepared to have answer for them and not these dumb statements that come off the top of your heads. If you chose to do a legitimate search you would be able to answer your own questions.

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maverick

Dec-02-13 2:06 PM

Look all I have asked is that people watch the skies and see what is happening. You can make all the excuses you want but before too long what is happening will be exposed.

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