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Politicians should be changed

November 17, 2013

To the editor: It seems funny that the politicians on all sides continue to warn about the national debt but support an economic system that’s based on low wages, tax breaks for the wealthy and......

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BushCrimeFamily

Nov-17-13 4:42 AM

Today's GOP doesn't represent you. They only work to protect the 1%. It's astounding that anyone who actually works for a living would vote Republican.

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Moteman

Nov-17-13 9:04 AM

Yes politicians should be changed. From Democrats to Republicans in Nov. 2014

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RPG0340

Nov-17-13 10:59 AM

BCF, I believe you owe us an answer to the following questions. What will happen if they raise min wage to $15/hr.? How much will a Big-Mac cost? What about a gallon of gas? gallon of milk? What about the guys that make $22/hr. now?

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Hagrid

Nov-18-13 10:58 AM

I hope bcf finds time to answer RPG's questions.

Perhaps Chester could weigh in, as he claimed raising the minimum wage would have no effect on the economy.

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Moteman

Nov-18-13 12:14 PM

Hamgrid Am I missing something? Several of us know Dadjoveric's identity. Why do you call him Chester?

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Hagrid

Nov-18-13 3:27 PM

downsized10, bcf has made claims that he has not supported. RPG simply asked him to do so. So far, I can't think of a single of his claims that bcf has even tried to support.

"they don't care about anyone who doesn't fall into that category until election time when they need your vote."

"Maybe they voted because they are up for re-election and trying to save their political Hyde?"

Now that's funny.

Democrats are running because they know the people who are voting are fed up with Obamacare. Period.

Pretty much what the Republicans, the Tea Party, and Ted Cruz said.

Interesting, don't you think?

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Moteman

Nov-18-13 4:58 PM

Good one Hagrid.

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Hagrid

Nov-18-13 8:27 PM

"Hagrid - So you concur they voted with the RepubliCON's and the Tea Party wacko birds to try and save their Political Hyde's. Interesting."

Not so much so. Dems easily change their core values with the wind.

They no longer do body counts in Afghanistan. They do not complain whin THIS president negotiates with the Afghan government to keep troops there longer, even though he promised his blind voters that he would get us out of Afghanistan in months.

They were going nuts over Bush listening in on calls to known terrorists overseas, but now don't care that they themselves are being spied on.

They used to scream about the debt when Bush was president. Now that Obama will soon rack up more than Bush and all other presidents combined, it is no longer at all important.

Now that Obama is president, they care little of his anti-Constitution moves, nor the fact that he lied to them about oh, so many things.

No, I'm not surprised that those 39 see the wrath of the voters.

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Hagrid

Nov-18-13 8:34 PM

"“Pretty much what the Republicans, the Tea Party, and Ted Cruz said”. Now that's a trio the country can do without."

Interesting. Even your president is accepting what the trio were trying to do.

You know. When it was a BAD thing. LOL

"the crisis of 47 million people without healthcare."

Are you talking about those who have lost their healthcare? I think the number will be far higher than that. Some estimates already out those who have lost their coverage at more than 50 million.

"When it was being formulated they fought it instead of embracing it"

If you are smart, you don't embrase a bag of crap. You are just a lot slower at realizing it than most other Americans, even your Democratic leaders!

"The RepubliCON party killed Hillary care remember?"

Yes, thank God.

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Hagrid

Nov-18-13 8:42 PM

"Having nothing is a humbling experience something you may or may or may not know about."

We were dirt poor. I had to use an outhouse for years. Our refrigerator was an orange crate outside the kitchen window on the roof. We finally got a phone when I was in high school. My family's first car was the one I bought after I graduated from high school.

Don't tell me about poor.

I was determined not to stay poor, I worked hard. Put myself through school. I did not stay on minimum wage jobs. I did not take taxpayer money (except for the yearly block of cheese my mom received).

I didn't like that. I realized it wasn't free. Someone had to work to milk the cow, make it into cheese, package it, and deliver it. I realized the taxpayers were paying for our cheese.

Don't tell me about poor.

I escaped. Anyone can. You just have to put in the effort.

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RPG0340

Nov-19-13 12:57 AM

Downsized10, EB will not answer my questions because he knows that the truthful answers destroy every opinion he has. Downsized, wealth cannot be created by government mandate, or minimum wage increases.

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Echobravo

Nov-19-13 1:00 AM

It is funny how people with nothing let people with fortunes tell them what they don't need. I too hagrid came from the having nothing and raised/living like you. My parents ensured that I was raised in the church and learned how to live humble, work hard, and help our fellow man. We were also taught there are some who want things for free, it's not for me to judge. Blame politicians and agencies for not doing their elected duties and job. No politician should be in office more than four years, six max.

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Echobravo

Nov-19-13 1:04 AM

RPG- not sure answer you are looking for. Rewrite the tax laws so that corporations pay their fair share. Besides fox what facts support that it will hurt the economy when companies are making record profits.

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RPG0340

Nov-19-13 10:47 AM

No, no, EB, don't dance around it. Here it is again.

What will happen if they raise min wage to $15/hr.? How much will a Big-Mac cost? What about a gallon of gas? gallon of milk? What about the guys that make $22/hr. now?

This question has nothing to do with taxes, just simple economics. I'll even give you some help. If I employ 2 workers at my sandwich shop at $7.50/hr. and I have to start paying them, $10/hr. assuming they work 40hr. weeks, and get 2 weeks vacation, that is $10,400 a year. Now, should I just "eat" that?(assuming I can and still make a profit) Or am I going to raise the cost of my meatball hoagie from $5 to $8 to cover the overhead cost increases and effects of the higher prices? Oh and I did not include that my suppliers have to pay their people $10 an hour too, so whamo, I have to pay more to keep supplied. Also the butcher that supplies me gets hit for higher costs so he has to pay his delivery driver more to keep him from leaving.

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RPG0340

Nov-19-13 10:49 AM

EB it has nothing to do with corporations. The men that built those entities employ people. A guy that spent years perfecting his craft, at the top of his game, deserves that large paycheck.

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RPG0340

Nov-19-13 10:52 AM

As for your little jab that we don't have nothing, you are wrong there too. If you are $100k in debt and live paycheck to paycheck, you don't have nothing because you have debt. However, if you save, and be thrifty, you start to dig out and gain wealth, you have something there.

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Hagrid

Nov-19-13 3:53 PM

"It is funny how people with nothing let people with fortunes tell them what they don't need."

Interesting.

You feel that people who have succeeded, should not tell people who have failed, what to do. Did I get that right?

"the tax laws so that corporations pay their fair share."

What is their "fair share"?

"Besides fox what facts support that it will hurt the economy when companies are making record profits."

Plenty.

America's corporate tax rate is the second highest in the world. That, and labor costs, is what drives corporations to move overseas. And you want to make that worse?

for one, when you raise taxes on corporations, they take their business elsewhere. (Then the uninformed blame others for what they demanded.)

Want to Boost the Economy? Lower Corporate Tax Rates ...

aei(dot)org/article/economics/fiscal-policy/taxes/want-to-boost-the-economy-lower-corporate-tax-rates/

.........

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Hagrid

Nov-19-13 4:10 PM

.... New tax threatens U.S. recovery

tech(dot)fortune(dot)cnn(dot)com/2009/07/16/international-tax-hike-taxes-business/

Raising taxes on the oil industry will hurt the economy bearingdrift(dot)com/2011/07/12/why-raising-taxes-on-the-oil-industry-will-hurt-the-economy-3/

eb, If you bother to check history, you will find that Kennedy's corporate tax cuts benefitted the economy. Reagan's corporate tax cuts did the same. You don't have to believe me. Check for yourself.

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Hagrid

Nov-19-13 4:25 PM

"For some reason I can’t remember that happening"

Were you asleep? Obviously not, because 10 years later, you are STILL complaining.

"So you think Obama wants to walk away from the ACA like the trio does do you?"

Nope. It is his legacy. Right now he is seeing the aftermath of his poor planning, poor oversite, of a horrible and unsustainable plan. It will get worse.

"I don’t remember screaming when he passed the Medicare Part D nor cut taxes without paying for it."

I complained. He was acting like an irresponsible Democrat.

"You know the same mantra being used today about the deficit but wasn’t a problem for the RepubiCON party back then because the upper 1% were the biggest recipient of those tax cuts."

The deficit was HALF what it is today.

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Hagrid

Nov-19-13 4:31 PM

"Again maybe just maybe with a little cooperation from the RepubliCON Party we wouldn’t be where we are today with the healthcare crisis."

What crisis? People are not dying by the hundreds outside emergency room doors. People with no money are getting treated. I personally know several.

"Unlike you I think healthcare in this country isn’t just for those who can afford it."

Wonderful. then proudly give your money to the government, but don't force me to pay for the healthcare of others, through the government. They do not have a record of spending other peoples' money wisely. Let me give of my own free will. Fair enough?

"You can stand behind your position of healthcare is for those that can afford it if you want but you never know when Karma will appear."

Choices. Instead of getting your nails done twice a month, instead of getting that new IPhone, instead of all those sports channels on satelite, put a few dollars into your own health care.

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Moteman

Nov-19-13 4:44 PM

Hagrid your story is almost identical to my wife's and mine. I was a little better off but my wife had it just as bad as you. Some how with training hard work and never giving up we have it pretty good today. We saw what our attitudes got us and resent lazy losers like a certain person we know get it all for free at our expense.

Gasoline prices are dropping. They are under three dollars in some places. So now is the time for obungler to tax the oil companies to the tune of 80 Billion dollars. By eliminating tax write offs for exploration, research, and other things. The obungler administration thinks that the oil companies will just eat this extra cost. EB do you think all oil products will increase and gas will be over five dollars a gal after obungler's tax increase?

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Hagrid

Nov-19-13 4:44 PM

"Some x-mass’s if I didn’t wake up with a boner I didn’t have anything to play with."

I guess I was fortunate. I received used charity gifts. Part of what spurred me to become self-sufficient.

"I remember the cheese well, Regan cheese as I recall was the name of it."

Wrong. It was going on in the 60s, so that makes it Kennedy or Johnson cheese.

"Things are different that’s all I’m saying today someone needs break to make it happen."

That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals wait around for someone to give them a "break".

Conservatives go out and create their own breaks.

Liberals go to college and get degrees in archeology, dance, sociology, journalism, then wonder why they can't get a job.

For far, FAR less than $75K, one can go to school and get a job in programming, welding, jet engine repair, nursing, etc., and get a job right away. Choices, downsized10. One has to make the right choices.

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Hagrid

Nov-19-13 9:33 PM

"So I guess that makes it OK to push those tax breaks off onto our children?"

If you take the time to check history,you would see that the tax breaks benefitted the economy, just as the Kennedy tax cuts and the Reagan tax cuts did. Stop with the drama, and check FACTS.

"You show me one post I ever made that states I am complaining about the deficit."

Just one? How about three?

"I don’t remember screaming when we entered 2 wars that depleted the surplus Bush was left with."

"So I guess that makes it OK to push those tax breaks off onto our children?"

"I don’t remember screaming when he passed the Medicare Part D nor cut taxes without paying for it."

When my friends are in need, I step in and help them.

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Hagrid

Nov-19-13 9:43 PM

"So you’re claiming you never ever in your life received a break or maybe someone let the rule slide because you seem an honest person or you just didn’t have enough in the bank but we’ll let it slide. "

I never received a break because I was sitting around waiting for one, no. And folks don't need to bend rules for me.

"Really I have a son who is a programmer and he has a*****of a lot more than 75k tied up in his education."

We have programmers that work for my company making $80,000 a year with a 2 year technical degree. I'm sorry it toook your son so much longer and cost him so much more.

"Yeah you’re right it is all about choices and I guess you have never made a bad one in your life."

I've made my share. But I learned from them, I did not keep making them over and over. That distinguishes me from most liberals.

diamond10, get off the _feelings_ kick. It's nice, but doesn't reflect reality, and certainly won't solve economic nor healthcare

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RPG0340

Nov-20-13 12:50 AM

"YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYy Bayrock and Moocheele just gave Syria $195,000,000 and told them warm wishes to all MUSSLUUUMS Happy Ramadon."

You cannot believe how sick that makes me! Those terrorist bastards don't deserve anything. By the way, my friends and I are celebrating ramadon next year. We are having a pig roast, a "Koran shoot," (a luck shoot but we will be shooting at a Koran) we are also going to play "stick the sword in mohammed" (kind of like pin the tail on the donkey). All are invited.

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