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Another look at the facts

October 13, 2013

To the editor: On Oct. 6, the Herald-Star dutifully published the latest nonsensical blather penned by Barry Bardone (“Sometimes, facts can be confusing....

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Echobravo

Oct-20-13 6:42 PM

RPG - YOU...Echobravo, where is the specific example where a Christian (a Christian that is not a mentally ill person) did such a thing following the teaching of Christ?

Now couldn't your question about mentally ill person go the other way with ANY cause? Face it, (SOME) Christians, Muslims, and other faiths has to have something wrong with them to kill in the name of another faith. There are no justification that you could make to the contrary...

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RPG0340

Oct-20-13 6:19 PM

Dadjoveric, how many people were executed under that law? ZERO, ZILTCH, NADA, NONE!!! Yet you blame deaths that haven't occurred on Christians? What do you say about the muslim decrees that say that all non-muslims are to be converted to islam or killed? Muslims actually do that stuff, Christians don't.

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Hagrid

Oct-20-13 3:19 PM

What you got wrong is, there is no such law in Uganda. You used an example that does not exist.

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Hagrid

Oct-20-13 12:36 PM

core, you used a fake death penalty law for gays in Uganda as proof of Christian violence. You were incorrect/lying/wrong. AGAIN.

We await your admission that you were wrong. (If you were actually half as smart as you think you are, you could easily find the TRUTH, and your claim would then be a lie. But we know you lack that much intelligence.)

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RPG0340

Oct-20-13 9:26 AM

Dadjoveric, most muslims believe the Koran literally. They believe that islam is to be spread by the sword, that non-muslims should be taxed, or have no rights. You say that most of these people do not believe that form of islam. However, where have the "non-violent" faction spoken out against the acts of their brothers?

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BushCrimeFamily

Oct-20-13 1:16 AM

Suppose a relatively small group financed by a handful of billionaires (1) takes over state governments in order to redistrict, gerrymander, require voter IDs, purge voter rolls, and otherwise suppress the votes of the majority; (2) secretly bankrolls candidates for these safe seats who pledge to shrink and dismember the government; (3) then, once these candidates are elected, has them shut down the government in order to repeal or amend laws the plotters dislike; (4) then forces the nation to default on its debts and thereby throws the economy into a tailspin in order to get their way; and (5) runs a vast PR campaign to convince the American public of big lies about laws the plotters dislike or policies they seek. Would you call this an attempted coup d’etat? If not, what would you call it? And what would you do about it? - Robert Reich

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RPG0340

Oct-19-13 8:21 PM

Echobravo, where is the specific example where a Christian (a Christian that is not a mentally ill person) did such a thing following the teaching of Christ?

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Echobravo

Oct-19-13 8:11 PM

You guy/girls are really going at it, but I had to answer this one:

The question was to give "recent" examples of Christians using Christianity to justify violence."

ANTI-ABORTIONIST...Murderers, Bombers. They killed in the name of Christianity. Like some here who BELIEVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should ban abortion, but DO NOT WANT GOVERNMENT. Good debate folks.

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RPG0340

Oct-19-13 2:14 PM

BushCrimeFamily,

I'll give you the idea of a civil war. I severely disagree with your idea of the causes of it. There are 2 factions in the Republican party. There is an established base of spineless RINO's that are there for the prestige of holding the office. Then there is a minority that is gaining strength and numbers with every election of TEA party patriots and constitutionalists that believe our founders had it right and are trying to return to sanity.

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RPG0340

Oct-19-13 2:08 PM

Also, you can post any example you want. There is no sane Christian individual that committed a mass murder or act of violence in the name of Christ. People that commit mass murder are mentally ill, and a practicing Christian would not commit such an act.

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RPG0340

Oct-19-13 2:05 PM

Dadjoveric, you should not even be here now having admitted to being banned several times, all for poor behavior. I'll admit I was banned from another website, I came back once and haven't been there since either my or their system will not allow me to access the site at all. Funny thing about it is that I got banned for what you, your brother, knob, and others did, without restriction for weeks before I and others fired back. Then you guys squealed like little rats to your buddies that made the rules and had them run to your aid.

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BushCrimeFamily

Oct-19-13 12:33 PM

We hear that there's a civil war in the Republican Party between its Tea Party and establishment factions. But the reality is there is no longer a Republican Party, and the real war is between the oligarchs (the Koch brothers and a handful of other right-wing billionaires) and the plutocrats (corporate and Wall Street executives). The oligarchs are now finding and funding extremist candidates in 2014 Republican primaries to oppose Republican incumbents who voted in favor of reopening the government and raising the debt ceiling. The plutocrats are bankrolling those incumbents, as well as a few of their own candidates in Republican primaries to oppose incumbent extremists. So who will be the real winners in 2014 -- the oligarchs or the plutocrats? And what will this mean for America? - Robert Reich

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RPG0340

Oct-19-13 9:21 AM

Dadjoveric, I was trying to remember how many aliases you have because you've been banned from how many websites now? Allow me to list them. MrCore MrRose Dadjoveric Donde Estas Nam Trooftella Pictureman Bidness Justmyhumbleo Knob That is 10 different screen names. Those are also just those I know about. God knows how many you really have. I do know that only ONE of these names is active because your poor behavior has gotten the other 9 banned or deleted.

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RPG0340

Oct-19-13 9:15 AM

Also dadjoveric/MrCore/BushCrimeFamily, I was simply using the "duck rule" in calling out the beliefs of BCF. The "duck rule" if you are wondering is as follows: If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must a duck.

Also, I cannot help but to think how much the communist/anti-American rhetoric posted by BCF resembles that of Goblue.

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RPG0340

Oct-19-13 9:11 AM

Dadjoveric, the IRA of later years was "in bed" with the middle eastern terrorist groups. Their tactics of the late 20th century bombing busses absolutely stink of the prophet mohammed.

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Moteman

Oct-18-13 11:55 PM

dadjoveric aka mrcore said "BushCrimeFamily, I have reported RPG for name calling. According to the rules this website employs, he should be banned tomorrow - if the webmaster is applying rules equally. Of course, we shouldn't count on that since Valleyman wasn't banned after recently posting the F word."

how many times have you had your account deleted? why do t you and your. brother communicate with your obama phones instead of taking up bandwidth here?

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Hagrid

Oct-18-13 11:02 PM

Wow, BCF. Quite a list of socialist ideals.

Tell us, since you want no limit on Social Security taxes, do you also propose those folks will get their SS tax back in higher SS payments when they retire, or are you just planning on taking their earnings for your own use?

card-check? Why are you opposed to private ballot?

Living wage? Feel free to start your own business, pay top wage, great benefits, then come back and tell us how it is going. OK?

Single payer? A grand socialist idea. Given our government's record of good financial responsibility, you want them in total control of your health care? WHY?

(Why is it that liberals always demand more from others than they are willing to do themselves?)

"higher tax rates on the wealthy"

Ah, wealth envy. The top 10% of wage earners already pay over 70% of federal income taxes. Just how greedy are you?

core, when one embraces multiple socialist goals in one post, one should expect to be called a communist.

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RPG0340

Oct-18-13 6:26 PM

Dadjoveric, you are wrong about the IRA as well. The IRA of the later 20th century bears no resemblance to the IRA that fought for independence in 1916.

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BushCrimeFamily

Oct-18-13 4:29 PM

The media keep asking what Republicans have learned from the debacle they created, but the more interesting question is what the rest of us have learned. The answer is: We have to take back the House of Representatives in 2014, and keep Republicans the minority in the Senate. Some of you continue to believe there's no difference between the two parties, and I agree Democrats are too dependent on big money and therefore often too reluctant to support necessary reforms like single payer, major cuts in the military, a resurrected Glass-Steagall, limits on the size of the biggest Wall Street banks, a living wage, card-check for unionization, higher tax rates on the wealthy, and elimination of the ceiling on income subject to Social Security taxes. But I don't subscribe to the false equivalency between the two parties. The Republican Party has become the party of the powerful, privileged, prejudiced, and paranoid. They are incapable and undeserving of governing this great nation. - R. Reic

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Hagrid

Oct-18-13 3:40 PM

lawdiva(dot)wordpress(dot)com/2013/02/11/anti-gay-bill-in-uganda-resurfaces/

"The original Anti-Homosexuality Bill imposed the death penalty for serial homosexual offences; for sexual activity with persons under the age of 18 or the disabled; and for sexual activity where HIV is passed to another.

It has now been reported that after world-wide criticism, including from Prime Minister Stephen Harper, the death penalty provisions have been abandoned in favour of life in prison."

There is no violence due to Uganda's proposed anti-gay law. Wrong, core.

core, are you for or against homosexuals having sex with children? Should they be prosecuted?

Are you for or against homosexuals taking advantage of the disabled? Should they be prosecuted?

Are you for or against homosexuals knowingly infecting others with HIV? Should they be prosecuted?

Now, can you show us where this law, that you put up as proof, was passed?

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Hagrid

Oct-18-13 1:05 PM

"The question was to give "recent" examples of Christians using Christianity to justify violence."

"I was talking about the anti-gay laws - not generic violence, and that's entirely Christians."

You used the Uganda anti-gay laws as an example of "Christians using Christianity to justify violence."

I asked you to tell us how many gays were put to death via the law you used as proof.

So far, none. Correct?

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Hagrid

Oct-18-13 12:29 PM

"That was not part of the criteria before, Mr Goal-post-moving-guy."

Hitler killed 6 million, not for religious reasons, but for power, and his ingrained hatred for Jews.

"Their buttons said "God is with us."

Our money says "In God We Trust". That doesn't mean everything we pay for with American currency is purchased for God, to honor God, or in God's name.

"I was talking about the anti-gay laws - not generic violence, and that's entirely Christians."

Please tell us how many gays have been put to death due to Uganda's anti-gay laws.

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Hagrid

Oct-18-13 12:19 PM

"but do not los employer contributions - which is the same law that applies to other non-government workers."

Wonderful! Please show us the Obamacare plan, that applies to other non-government workers, that pays 75% of our medical premiums. I want to sign up.

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Hagrid

Oct-18-13 11:35 AM

...."But Wednesday's proposed rule from the OPM, the federal government's human resources agency, means that Congress will escape the most onerous impact of law as it was written"...

..."This clarifies what they really intended to do all along," Jost said. "Congress had subjected itself to a requirement that applied to nobody else in the country."

Does the American public get 75% of their healthcare under ObamaCare paid for? NO.

Your President's and your Congress's ObamaCare is certainly not YOUR ObamaCare.

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Hagrid

Oct-18-13 11:29 AM

core is wrong. AGAIN.

reuters(dot)com/article/2013/08/07/usa-health-congress-idUSL1N0G820F20130807

WASHINGTON, Aug 7 (Reuters) - Congress has won some partial relief for lawmakers and their staffs from the "Obamacare" health reforms that it passed and subjected itself to three years ago.

In a ruling issued on Wednesday, U.S. lawmakers and their staffs will continue to receive a federal contribution toward the health insurance that they must purchase through soon-to-open exchanges created by President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law.

The amendment's author, Republican Senator Charles Grassley, argued that if Obamacare plans were good enough for the American public, they were good enough for Congress. Democrats, eager to pass the reforms, went along with it.

But it soon became apparent the provision contained no language that allowed federal contributions toward their health plans that cover about 75 percent of the premium costs.....

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