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Interesting parallel in Zimmerman case

July 28, 2013

To the editor: In 2009, in a parallel almost too good to be true, neighborhood watchman Roderick Scott, a black man from Greece, N.Y....

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Echobravo

Aug-06-13 3:10 PM

RPG - First and foremost (Again) have you not ever seen a caucasian with sagging pants and all the other descriptions you named? Pull your head out of the sand thinking that race does not play a role overseas. Not sure if you ever lived there, but the American mentality is there as well. These stereotypes are amazing. Rsimpson thinks only blacks live in the ghetto (black/ghetto - white/neighborhood). No conversation will ever get through the barrier of this perceived stereotypical intolance. Go back to the discussion of the law that is in question. Just as you all described every possible negative aspect as a black person OR any other race in your minds, remember that there are fingers pointing right back at you within your own race (welfare, drugs, crime, immoral acts, ect.) Let's agree to disagree..

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Hagrid

Aug-06-13 3:03 PM

EB, you have an extremely twisted view of our legal system. You referred to an innocent person "proving their innocense" in a court of law at least twice. Our justice system does not work that way at all. It is up to the accusers to prove GUILT, not the other way around. Looks like you need to do a little studying. If you are so confused about this basic premis, how can you understand more complex issues?

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RPG0340

Aug-06-13 1:18 PM

EB let me ask you this. If a black man is "strutting" with his pants around his knees, wearing a black, white, green, and purple winter jacket in the middle of summer, with yellow patent leather shoes and a big steel dollar sign on a chain, smoking a $1.50 Cigar and calling his two girlfriends hoes yet has no job and 3 kids to different women, has he not earned his "title" if someone calls him a N---a? Has he not earned it any more or less than the worn out, dirty, meth cooking, toothless, gnarled haired, 8 child, food stamp consuming, white people that you'd call white trash?

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RPG0340

Aug-06-13 1:09 PM

EB, also why do you blame the educational system for blacks acting the way that they do? No doubt you are a democrat. Do you believe that the billions of tax dollars spent on education were well spent? Our educational system encourages "expression," they allow the use of words like "nigga." They allow kids to not shave, sag their pants, use ebonofied wack English, allow them to play football despite being involved in gang rape, they fix grades for athletes. Are they doing a service for them or are the covertly subjugating them? The content of one's character should matter, not their skin color. However, if people of a certain color by and large act a certain way, that stereotype will follow them.

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RPG0340

Aug-06-13 12:56 PM

EB, let me get this straight. You believe that 9/11 was the result of racism? 9/11 was the result of muslims carrying out what their wretched book commands them to do.

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Echobravo

Aug-05-13 1:38 PM

It's funny how people try to justify "sterotyping" and racial intolerance (any race). It really only shows the ignorance of the parents TEACHING their children this junk. This same racism is one of the reasonings why 911 happened. Instead of condemning something blindly, try to understand why it happened. Policies and RACE (ETHNIC). When one does not learn from history, we know what happens. I WILL AGREE that what can one expect going around calling another whatever, but gets offended by another using that same term. Because of poor education and NOT KNOWING AND REALIZING what these words mean is the fault of they system (education, parenting, etc.), however even if understood a racist finds something or someone else to hate. For the person and the lazy comment, ARE ALL APPLACHIA RESIDENTS LAZY AND POOR WHITE TRASH WITHOUT MORALS. Is that a fair assessment? I would hope not to the more intelligent group.

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RPG0340

Aug-05-13 10:41 AM

I'm not saying that there are not bad apples in every barrel but how are stereotypes formed if they are not partially true? Why do they accept calling each other niggaz but hate being called so? How can they shed the label of being lazy welfare bums if on the first of the month they flood the stores and act like fools, stealing, arguing, fussing, smoking cigars in the store, with their pants around their ankles. My point is simple, don't cry racism when things don't go your way. No, it's not because a person is black; respect is earned, and it takes work to earn something.

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Echobravo

Aug-04-13 2:13 PM

Rsimpson43952 - No disputes that blacks are not above racism. What you experienced going to the market was inexcusable and ignorant. That culture needs to change and people held accountable. I will not agree with you on YOUR preconceived picture of the Zimmerman issue. Like I stated the Stand Your Ground law needs to be tweeked where there is an automatic standard of proving innocence in the court of law. GZ was over charged and acquitted and that part is over. People need to stop trying to just which race is the worst. Morality in American is in the toilet and until that changes, this country won't change.

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Rsimpson43952

Aug-04-13 11:53 AM

I do as a white woman know what it's like to be a victim of racist attitudes. I made the mistake of going to Maryland Market after dark to get pepperoni cheese, which by the way is very good and not too badly priced there. I usually go there in the early morning hours for their deli products however this time I went after dark. When I parked the car and walked through the group of about 7-10 adult men comments like "Hey snowflake", "Looking good snowflake?" were made. Needless to say, I won't ever go there after 11am again but the point is blacks are not above racism. One can NOT cry racism when they're racist themselves.

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Rsimpson43952

Aug-04-13 11:40 AM

It is no coincidence Martin tested positive for drugs and had bought skittles and tea, commonly used to make a home made hallucinogenic drug. As RPG stated Martin probably saw Zimmerman as some otherworldly space creature. The preacher here in Steubenville wasn't in the paper holding any services to confront the overwhelming violence in the area yet there he was ready to go race-baiting with the Martin case. Blacks are to blame for the violence in their neighborhood, no other race behaves that way. In the 50s and 60s blacks did face severe racism yet they were able to become successful productive members of society, why not now? In my opinion most choose to be lazy and play the race card for their personal choice in becoming a career welfare recipient or street thug.

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Rsimpson43952

Aug-04-13 11:34 AM

That picture was not taken 6 months before the incident, blow smoke somewhere else. Recent pictures are available on GZ's legal case website showing his "grill", drugs, and texts displaying his thug mentality. Martin was a racist unlike Zimmerman. Zimmerman profiled Martin because he portrayed himself as a street thug nothing else. Since when is it racist to defend yourself? Zimmerman was walking away when Martin, in true thug fashion, cowardly attacked him from behind and went for his gun. Was Zimmerman to lay down allow Martin to grab his gun and kill him? I blame Obama for many things, mostly the complete absence of the steel industry in our area. His policies are to blame for the abandoned mills displaying "For Lease" signs all over this area. As for the phones Obama decided to give mobile phones to everyone, a landline is sufficient for contacting employers.

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Echobravo

Aug-04-13 12:37 AM

I will say this (my opinion). This is purely a black and white issue of who and what to believe. I believe that there should have been an immediate arrest after the shooting and like the other case in 2009, let him prove his innocence in a court of law. Until one race can walk in the shoes of another, you will NEVER understand what the other feels. This case has just enforced the true racial divide in America. Until America comes to grip with this, we will always be looking over our shoulders in the world.

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RPG0340

Aug-03-13 9:38 PM

As for the making of "purple drank" and drug use goes... Martin was probably thinking Zimmerman was a space vampire from mars riding in the belly of a purple elephant with green polka dots.

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RPG0340

Aug-03-13 9:29 PM

Ohiomiddleman, what Martin did do in the past should have been taken into consideration. A bad person is a bad person. In my opinion criminals, especially violent ones shouldn't have rights, and if they get shot in the process of robbing or attacking someone should have no more fuss made over their death than scraping a squashed fly from your windshield. However, that wasn't needed in this case. The prosecution had not a single leg to stand on. Self defense isn't a crime. The entire reason this trial even happened was because of political pressure. If you can recall, GZ was not charged with a crime that evening.

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Ohiodem

Aug-03-13 8:43 PM

Rsimpson43952, Purple Drank is usally made from Robitussin, a carbonated beverage such as Sprite or Mountain Dew and Jolly Ranchers. Basically any carbinated beverage and any candy Jelly Beans, Skittles, Jolly Rancher or just plain sugar. So according to you right wing nut jobs any black kid in possesion of any drink and some candy is making Purple Drank I guess. This thug you call him was 5' 11" and 158 pounds according to the ME's report. The picture of Trayvon Martin you guys claim was 6 years old was taken 6 months before the murder. Trayvon Martin looked more like JJ from Good Times than a thug. He was 17 years and 20 days old. So he had a trace of Marajuhana probably better than half of any white kids his age would be the same. What he did las week, month year has absolutly nothing to do with the night he was murdered. What about Zimmerman's record of domestic vilence, assulting an officer and molesting a girl for ten years? Hmmmm

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Echobravo

Aug-03-13 4:46 PM

For all of you who are complaining about the valley woes...BLAME YOUR LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL LEADERS IN CONGRESS. They are not representing you. You all can talk black and white issues, it will not resolve anything until you get the people YOU elected to work for you. Obama is not your congressman or local representative. Again, check those three fingers that are pointing back at you when point blame with the one.

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Echobravo

Aug-03-13 4:29 PM

YOU ALL are trying to throw up the black crime statistics. AS I HAVE STATED before. Crime statistics will come from the neighborhood where the races reside, thus black on black and white on white or if mixed neighborhood, mixed crime.

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Echobravo

Aug-03-13 4:20 PM

Thanks Moteman - So valleyman it was on REAGAN'S WATCH so don't call it obamaphone, but Reaganphone.

Let's get something clear here about GZ. This is not about race for me. He was overcharged in the first place. I have no issue with the verdict based on the charge. I have a problem with the process it took to go to a trial.

Valleyman, anytime you talk welfare, its about race. YOUR STATEMENT ALWAYS IMPLY only one race/group receive welfare/food stamps/free money. THE PEOPLE OF APPALACHIA GET FREEBIES WITHOUT SCRUTINY. Detroit is not the only bankrupt city, ACTUALLY Wayne County is BROKE and run by republicans with a republican governor. So what is that point of that. I do agree that Detoit is the result of years of mismanagement, but you don't hear that the state owes Detroit $250,000,000. There is so much more for all clips you all get from the media.

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justsayin2011

Aug-03-13 2:38 PM

So,what these people are saying is that GZ called 911,allowed himself? to get beat up by someone without knowing their physical strength,fighting abilities or wether they had any weapons hoping that he wasn't seriously injured or killed for the slim chance he could get to his gun and kill TM all to make it seem as real as possible just to commit murder? Do these people write movie scripts?

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Rsimpson43952

Aug-03-13 12:39 PM

It is no secret that violent crimes are mostly committed by young black men. Proof of that is our prison/jail population. A young black male is more likely to attack, rob, and/or beat an innocent victim than a young white male. Why is that? Young black males oftentimes choose not to further their education whereas young white males do. Black community leaders need to step up to the plate and urge young black adults to get an education, prevent teenage pregnancy, and stress the importance of the family unit.

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Rsimpson43952

Aug-03-13 12:35 PM

@EB You are so far off on your facts it's almost laughable if not for the fact you believe it. The Bush blame game does not pep Obama up, so stop it's an old worn excuse. Reagan started the Landline phone program so poor Americans could be contacted by employers. The program is paid for by telecommunications companies through an independent non-profit, not through tax revenue. Rarely is a black person the victim of physical violence by whites simply because they're black however whites are often the victim of physical violence perpetrated by blacks simply because they're white. Rarely are black offenders charged with the hate crime specification even though it is undisputed that the crime was in fact a "hate crime". Whites who walk into the ghetto are treated differently as are blacks who walk into an all white neighborhood. You can not have it both ways, you can not treat people like garbage and then expect the rest of the world to walk on eggshells around you.

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Rsimpson43952

Aug-03-13 11:21 AM

The parallel is evidently clear. There had been a rash of break-ins at the complex, Martin was peering into windows, hurled a racial slur, was on drugs, went for Zimmerman's gun after attacking him from behind while Zimmerman was trying to walk away from the situation. The media won't cover the white teen who was shot and killed because that would be considered racist. Blacks label me a racist for being critical of President Obama when it has NOTHING to do with the color of his skin and everything to do with the choices he makes for this country. 50 years ago blacks did face severe racism yet they were able to become successful educated adults so there is no excuse for being a bum criminal other than laziness.

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Moteman

Aug-03-13 9:43 AM

You are wrong also EB. the phone program stated a long time ago under Reagan. It payed for a land line phone in one household so they were not cut off. It never changed until Obuingler's administration extended it to cell phones for the whole family, mom dad and children get the phones. Now Obungler is talking they need cars and the taxpayer may end up buying them. ------

Zimmerman had a gun the neighborhood watch may not have wanted him to have, but it has no force of law kick him off the neighbor hood watch.Same as the 911 operator telling him not to follow has no force of law, SO What, Zimmerman ignored the suggestion? When Zimmerman shot Traymon in SELF DEFENSE he was acting in accordance to the law. NOT GUILTY SELF DEFENSE GET OVER IT. Zimmerman saved a family from a burning car why don't you tell us about that EB.

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Echobravo

Aug-03-13 8:25 AM

valleyman - Check YOUR facts. The phones program came from the bush administration. Also there are more whites on food stamps.

As for questions - Not every racial killing is racism, but YOU know which killings were in question. Don't act like you don't. You all sit up here and throw out statistics on BS, but you question that.

THERE IS NO PARALLEL IN THIS CASE. FLORIDA POLICE ACTED AS JUDGE AND JURY WHERE THE OTHER POLICE LET THE JUDGE AND JURY DO THEIR JOB. Its that simple. You all have a right to be angry at perceived racial manipulations, but be smart enough to know the difference. The Zimmerman case showed how procedures were not followed by police and Zimmerman (failed to stop following). Now that there is a CIVIL case, that BURDEN OF PROOF has already been established. You want to talk local crime, LOOK AT YOUR LOCAL AND STATE REPRESENTATIVES that only care about you when its election time.

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RPG0340

Aug-02-13 9:33 PM

Oh, shoot, before I forget. One more series of questions for you liberals. Didn't the Coroner's office just run out of funding, 5 months short of the new year from all the autopsies they had to perform because of all the murders in Steubenville? Why don't I see you bleeding heart liberals, and the NAACP having public outcry sessions for every black man murdered in Steubenville? Is that because you don't care? Or is it because the fact that they were killed by other blacks goes against your agenda?

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