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Education must be protected

February 24, 2013

To the editor: It often amazes me to read letters to the editor that report incorrect information. I would like to respond to one of those letters in the Feb....

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debray

Feb-25-13 6:02 AM

Liz,

You said, "In this economy, everyone must tighten his or her belts" I guess that means everyone except Public Sector Unions?

Edison teachers may be the sweetest people in the world but I like many others are getting tired of paying for the unsustainable salaries, pentions and healthcare of tenure teachers and the never ending request for more from the school board.

Check out the Ohio Buckeye Institute and see how the Teachers pensions plans adds up to those of us that are paying higher and higher property taxes to fund the unsustainable never ending public sector unions.

Another problem is Teacher tenure the controversial form of job protection that public school teachers in all states receive after 1-7 years on the job. As of 2008, 2.3 million teachers have tenure.

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debray

Feb-25-13 6:03 AM

If that isn't enough Obama turns around and uses our tax money to bail out the underfunded Teachers pention plan for what more votes and it isn't going to end there.

A study just released by the Foundation for Educational Choice and The Manhattan Institute identifies as an “emerging crisis” the underfunding of public teacher pension plans across all 50 states.

In Underfunded Teacher Pension Plans the discrepancy between what states report and the true value of underfunded liabilities for state teacher pensions.

It was found that all 59 pension funds included in the study faced shortfalls. According to their own financial statements, total unfunded liabilities to teachers--i.e. the gap between existing plan assets and the present value of benefits accrued by plan participants--is $332 billion. But a conservative estimate of the situation produced by the study found the plans’ unfunded liabilities really total about $933 billion.

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debray

Feb-25-13 6:06 AM

Bill Beattie` said, we met with an architect and went over a proposal for a new building.

Funding for the proposed construction of the seventh- through 12th-grade high school would be placed before voters in March. "The building plan we had was developed by MS Consulting and it would house seventh through 12th grades at the same location as the (current) Edison High School."

Beattie also said a 9.45-mill operating levy proposal still is going to be placed before voters.

What I would really like to see is a copy of the Edison Local Budget.

They have 2200 students and around 236 employees I can see that on their web-site, Why can't I see their budget.

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RPG0340

Feb-25-13 10:48 AM

Ms. Truax, explain to me how high school students under the age of 16 are to get to school if their parents work? Busing may not be "mandatory" but schooling is for the most part. Please elaborate on what will happen to those students if said students do not make it to class. As for the claim that the student to teacher ratio is inaccurate, what is the ratio, "higher" is not a factual number. Also, what is the ratio district wide. Next, The school can be compared to production. Less students equals less teachers needed. I do not believe that the letter had anything to do with pushing students through school. People are tired of higher taxes, had the district laid off teachers instead of punishing families of students, this idea would have been received better. Now the gig is up and the true intentions uncovered.

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Getthefactscorrect

Feb-25-13 12:24 PM

Liz, Thank you for being a dedicated supporter of Edison and reporting the correct "facts". RPG is going to disagree with you regardless of the factual information you provide. RPG, the district now has to lay off just not teachers, but OAPSE members, such as cafteria workers, bus drivers, etc in addition to high school bussing being eliminated. This is the only way the district will remain in the black. Continuing to eliminiate positions is not the answer. Also, Debray, the budget is passed out at every board meeting. Nothing is being hidden as you are trying to refer. Yes. Mr, Beattie did state information about the possibility of a new school. However, since the voters wont vote to keep the exisitng buildings operational the board decided to hold off on a new school vote. The district would have had to pay approximately 70% of the new construction cost with 30% coming from the state. Why so much from the district, because the state considers Edison a RICH district.

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RPG0340

Feb-25-13 1:43 PM

GTFC, where is the factual information? The only one I read was that busing is not mandatory. I always believed that school attendence until the age of 18/graduation was mandatory for the most part. She provided no numbers as to what the Student/ teacher ratio is only reference to a calender. The district's response is viewed in a negative light because instead of laying off staff putting their heads down and moving forward, they are passing the punnishment off to the kids and their families while saving their own.

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Getthefactscorrect

Feb-25-13 2:00 PM

RPG. Did you not read? The district is laying off approximately 25 positions for next year, closing a school AND eliminating bussing. The facts are simple. The distict is going to follow through on what they stated would happen if the levy didnt pass. The parents I have talked with are not mad at the district but disappointed with the voters that put the district into this position. Thanks

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Getthefactscorrect

Feb-25-13 2:05 PM

RPG do you still live in the district? Do you ever go to a board meeting? Why not go to one and obtain the facts. Once again people are wasting their time discussing anything with you.

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Moteman

Feb-25-13 7:36 PM

Disapointed with the voters? Why? Is it that the voters are feed up with the way the district has been run. GTFC get this correct the voters have the right to vote the way they want. they do not have to vote the way you teachers want. Get over blaming the voters and get off your butt and figure out another way to get your money or do with out. Property owners are done paying the freight for you.

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survivoroftheflood

Feb-26-13 5:23 AM

The voters were dissapointed in the teachers for turning their backs on the students during the strike in November 2007. What goes around comes around. Thanks Teachers.

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debray

Feb-26-13 6:29 AM

GTFC you say, "Also, Debray, the budget is passed out at every board meeting. Nothing is being hidden as you are trying to refer".

So where can someone find it if they arn't at the board meeting, is it Public Record?

Please tell me where I can see last years budget, so I can get my facts correct?

The web site says Edison has 2200 students and 236 employees.

What is the cost per student?

I know the cost to send a child to the Christian School is less than $3000.00 per year.

What is the cost to send a child to the Edison Local Public School?

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RPG0340

Feb-26-13 9:57 AM

GTFC, my problem is the elimination of bussing. What good is a school if students cannot get there. If the teachers really cared about the education of the children, wouldn't they take a pay cut or sustain more layoffs if it meant kids would be educated?

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Moteman

Feb-26-13 9:58 AM

You will never get the budget At least not the real budget. Go get one at a board meeting you will find out real fast that their are costs they leave out and hide from the taxpayers, and before you tell me about the sunshine laws they ignore it. They know you don't have the money to take them to court to get it. GTFC is blowing smoke. Been there done that.

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debray

Feb-27-13 6:29 AM

I went to the Ohio Buckeye Institute and checked Edison Local, Pleasant Hill School. One teacher's salary is $65,930.00, estimated pension $43,513.00, they pay no Social Security, work how many hours per week? how much do they pay on their own health care? Do they have healthcare benefits after they retire?

Now I look at my $19,200. I will receive from Social Security that I had to paid into for the past 45 years and the $2,000. per year I have to pay in property tax every year for what?

Where can I see a budget?

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takeoff2011

Feb-27-13 9:51 AM

I find it frustrating to hear individuals shine such a negative light on teachers and other school employees for the fact that salaries/benefits/retirement is paid for by public monies. Those who take that stand should understand that they had the opportunity at some point in their lives to choose to join such a profession. They chose not to. Instead, they chose another path. There's nothing wrong with that. But don't think that it's the lifelong goals of teachers to reach into individuals pockets and take as much as possible. Such an opinion is nothing more than both ignorant and arrogant.

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Moteman

Feb-27-13 11:12 AM

takeoff2011 I don't believe it is not teachers and administrators intention to each into our pockets. If they don't why belong to a union and go on strike? Why do administrators raise their salaries every chance they get. They want more and very well know where that money comes from. You got to be kidding.

If they didn't want to get into our pockets, dump the unions, sign a no strike clause in the next contract, and pay more for their benefits.

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RPG0340

Feb-27-13 11:13 AM

@Takeoff2011.

Do I believe that teachers sought those benefits when choosing their profession? No. I believe most of them chose that profession for 3 reasons June, July , August. There are a few that really wanted to teach. The problem is that teachers actually only work 180 days a year or so. You read what Debray posted, right? Do you think $65,000 is mediocre pay for 180 days of work? That is $45.13/hour assuming they actually work 8 hours a day. Not satisfied? That is $361.11 per day worked. What a crappy job they have? Through an unopposed union the sky is the limit for them, the cost is passed on to the taxpayer. If taxes go up, they strike for a pay raise. It is a no win situation for the taxpayer until now, when the taxpayers decided to fight back with a "no" vote. The schools reacted with a punishment for the kids and their parents.

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RPG0340

Feb-27-13 11:22 AM

The title of this letter to the editor is "Education must be protected." I agree with the title, just not the content. What the author really wants is protection for the teachers, and they don't give a hoot about the students.

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takeoff2011

Feb-27-13 11:49 AM

Due to the cost of inflation in our economy, it costs more "dollars" for any product today than it did even ten years ago. Whether you buy a pair of shoes, a gallon of gas, or a new home. From what you are stating, since you cannot vote to change the prices of these necessities, you will tolerate those outrageous prices. But, when you do have a choice in the matter, you simply choose not pay the increased price for the education of the children in your community.

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RPG0340

Feb-27-13 12:18 PM

That is where you are wrong takeoff2011. I do not tolerate those prices. I refuse to pay them by my actions. I drive less, buy less, and spend less. My taxes increased this year, almost 40% of my paycheck goes to the government. Guess what, some car salesman is not going to get a nice comission this year. Liberal policies have led to this. When inflation happens, my wages do not automatically increase. When will you get it, that this is not about kids!!! If it were, teachers would take pay cuts, and layoff their peers, pay more for benefits. Instead their solution was to deny transportation to the high school, and give longer bus rides to kids in grade school. It shows what they really think.

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takeoff2011

Feb-27-13 12:50 PM

So....the bottom line is: You don't feel the quality of the product coming out of Edison schools is worth the price of what the district is asking? That is the problem is Jefferson County, Franklin County, etc. Everyone wants a better product for the same price that has been paid in the past, or even less. Cuts are being made. That, my friend, is FACT. Teachers who have committed 30+ years of their lives are being riffed. Anther FACT. I can promise you this, when enough cuts are eventually forced on the district, the quality and quantity of education will be way behind those of districts willing to pay for good products. Keep paying for, and eating, ground chuck. Others will pay for, and eat, sirloin. Just don't complain when you don't get what others get.

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Moteman

Feb-27-13 2:08 PM

takeoff You are wrong. Inflatation should be taken care of by rising housing prices and as more people build homes you have a larger tax base. the reason the school districts cant keep up is the exorbent salaries and benefits that teachers and admins demand.

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Moteman

Feb-27-13 2:08 PM

takeoff You are wrong. Inflatation should be taken care of by rising housing prices and as more people build homes you have a larger tax base. the reason the school districts cant keep up is the exorbent salaries and benefits that teachers and admins demand.

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Getthefactscorrect

Feb-27-13 5:17 PM

Moteman, You really think the Board of Education is hiding a budget? The budget that is provided at the board meetings IS THE ACTUAL BUDGET! It is public record and is submitted to the county and state. The State Auditor audits the budget EVERY YEAR! You are entitled to your opinion but there IS NO CONSPIRACY TO HIDE THE BUDGET FROM THE PUBLIC!If the BOE left something out of it or is hiding something it would be a finding on an audit. Not blowing smoke Moteman, you are. RPG keep blaming the district. The facts are the facts. Not enough money to keep all of the teachers, services or bussing. The facts were presented to you the voters.You chose not to pay more and the BOE is follwing through on the cuts. Good for them!

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dodgeram50

Feb-27-13 7:22 PM

These arguments would be a moot point if our Governor had the bellz to equalize school funding.

Our state funding for schools has been ruled unconstitutional. No one will do anything about it; our State congressman have no bellz either.

You can be a member of either party, but we'd all spend less on levies if the State people would do their jobs.

Fight among yourselves, blame the school in your community, blame the staff; but I think unless you have personally called our congressman or even the governor you can blame yourself. MOST OF YOU ARE THE BLAME. Man up, make the call. Write the letters.

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