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Education must be protected

February 24, 2013

To the editor: It often amazes me to read letters to the editor that report incorrect information. I would like to respond to one of those letters in the Feb....

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RPG0340

Mar-01-13 10:40 AM

Takeoff2011, I'm not saying that Edison is a bottom feeder by any means. I'm saying that educators as a whole need to be held to a certain standard to judge their pay. Education is their profession. Would you choose a heart surgeon whos pstients typically die within 6 months of surgery? I can read the mind of 90% of educators right now as we speak. Their collective voices say "June can't come soon enough."

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JamesT

Feb-28-13 4:47 PM

Since the creation of teh federal Department of Education in 1969, the U.S. has fallen from #1 to the mid 30's according to the World Health Organization. The emphasis had shifted from the Three R's to political correctness, socialist indoctrination, & dumbing down society in order to controll the masses through manipulative propaganda.

The book 1984 written by George Orwell in 1948 predicted this de evolution of America. Visionaries such as Ayn Rand, Woodrow Wilson, and Joseph Stalin all knew this would eventually come to pass.

Education is the key to domination. Be it for the good of the state or the good of the individual. When the academia use children as human shields to extort higher taxes to afford higher wages, cadillac pensions, and instill liberal philosophies to students, its all par for the course.

Notice when teachers campaign for levies ( higher pay ), they also use the children as pawns during strikes and their greedy corrupt unions tenured bad teachers.

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takeoff2011

Feb-28-13 1:22 PM

In what other profession of the world is the merit of the professional based on the performance of other human beings? If you would track a particular group (class) of students who year-in and year-out perform poorly on district- and state-level testing, you believe that a teacher or teachers should be docked pay for those poor scores? When a district traditionally has the best testing scores in the county, something is obviously being done correctly. I could see if Edison was continuously the bottom feeder of Jefferson Co. or eastern Ohio. But you're talking about a proven academic winner. I guess until you walk in an educator's shoes you won't understand his/her frame of mind. Nor, will an educator understand the philosophies of "the elites" who work in the private sector. I guess we can agree to disagree.

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RPG0340

Feb-28-13 12:42 PM

I say that there should be no minimum and no maximum for their pay. If all of their students progress greater than others they should be paid for that performance. I'd also say that before they get a raise they should have to prove their worth first. If half of their students don't advance from an acedemic standpoint, why should they get a raise let alone maintain their position? The problem develops when people believe they are entitled to somthing. Tenured teaching positions, food stamps, welfare, WIC, guranteed pay raises, are all examples. $30k for a starting salary is a bit too high especially around here. $60k ($41/hr.) is way too much to be guranteed without merit. Now if all of their students placed into college Calculus right out of high school, I'd say it is well worth it. If somthing is guranteed, eventually, people will do less and less for it knowing the outcome is the same. It is similar to socialism. Why work when the outcome is the same.

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takeoff2011

Feb-28-13 11:47 AM

If teacher salaries our outrageous, I'd love to hear what you believe to be appropriate. Hypothetically, let's say a beginning teacher makes $30,000; a teacher with 15 years experience earns $45,000; and a teacher at retirement age earns $60,000 as of this fiscal year. What would you find to be adequate pay for teachers?

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Moteman

Feb-28-13 10:48 AM

GTFC you are so naive. I will give you one fact or case . Gerry Owens. Other than unsubstantiated rumor. How much money did Mr. Owens get? Was that included in the budget as an expenditure? This is just one of the wasteful law suits and other settlements made with persons and unions that the district has made and kept secret. They do not show up on the budgets. GTFC I am beginning to believe you are burying your head in the sand.

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RPG0340

Feb-28-13 10:43 AM

A career as a public educator has become a business venture for individuals seeking economic prosperity, and steady employment. There are many great teachers in the public school system but some are there only for a paycheck, time off, and nothing else. Why was most of the staff of ELS insulated from the consequences of the levy failing? Why were the negative effects passed onto the public the district is supposed to serve?

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RPG0340

Feb-28-13 10:33 AM

Takeoff2011,

That is life buddy. You have to look out for you and your own. Why do you believe that teachers should be entitled to OUR earnings, a larger slice of our pie? How is that fair. How is it fair that public school teachers get a gurantee of benefits, pay increases, etc? Furthermore, why should said increases and benefits be allowed to stand regardless of the fiscal state of their employer? If schools were run like a private business, these problems would not exist.

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survivoroftheflood

Feb-27-13 8:32 PM

Takeoff2011, maybe the 30+yr employee should not have let their certificate run out. Would still have a job instead of getting riffed. Just sayin.

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dodgeram50

Feb-27-13 7:22 PM

These arguments would be a moot point if our Governor had the bellz to equalize school funding.

Our state funding for schools has been ruled unconstitutional. No one will do anything about it; our State congressman have no bellz either.

You can be a member of either party, but we'd all spend less on levies if the State people would do their jobs.

Fight among yourselves, blame the school in your community, blame the staff; but I think unless you have personally called our congressman or even the governor you can blame yourself. MOST OF YOU ARE THE BLAME. Man up, make the call. Write the letters.

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Getthefactscorrect

Feb-27-13 5:17 PM

Moteman, You really think the Board of Education is hiding a budget? The budget that is provided at the board meetings IS THE ACTUAL BUDGET! It is public record and is submitted to the county and state. The State Auditor audits the budget EVERY YEAR! You are entitled to your opinion but there IS NO CONSPIRACY TO HIDE THE BUDGET FROM THE PUBLIC!If the BOE left something out of it or is hiding something it would be a finding on an audit. Not blowing smoke Moteman, you are. RPG keep blaming the district. The facts are the facts. Not enough money to keep all of the teachers, services or bussing. The facts were presented to you the voters.You chose not to pay more and the BOE is follwing through on the cuts. Good for them!

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Moteman

Feb-27-13 2:08 PM

takeoff You are wrong. Inflatation should be taken care of by rising housing prices and as more people build homes you have a larger tax base. the reason the school districts cant keep up is the exorbent salaries and benefits that teachers and admins demand.

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Moteman

Feb-27-13 2:08 PM

takeoff You are wrong. Inflatation should be taken care of by rising housing prices and as more people build homes you have a larger tax base. the reason the school districts cant keep up is the exorbent salaries and benefits that teachers and admins demand.

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takeoff2011

Feb-27-13 12:50 PM

So....the bottom line is: You don't feel the quality of the product coming out of Edison schools is worth the price of what the district is asking? That is the problem is Jefferson County, Franklin County, etc. Everyone wants a better product for the same price that has been paid in the past, or even less. Cuts are being made. That, my friend, is FACT. Teachers who have committed 30+ years of their lives are being riffed. Anther FACT. I can promise you this, when enough cuts are eventually forced on the district, the quality and quantity of education will be way behind those of districts willing to pay for good products. Keep paying for, and eating, ground chuck. Others will pay for, and eat, sirloin. Just don't complain when you don't get what others get.

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RPG0340

Feb-27-13 12:18 PM

That is where you are wrong takeoff2011. I do not tolerate those prices. I refuse to pay them by my actions. I drive less, buy less, and spend less. My taxes increased this year, almost 40% of my paycheck goes to the government. Guess what, some car salesman is not going to get a nice comission this year. Liberal policies have led to this. When inflation happens, my wages do not automatically increase. When will you get it, that this is not about kids!!! If it were, teachers would take pay cuts, and layoff their peers, pay more for benefits. Instead their solution was to deny transportation to the high school, and give longer bus rides to kids in grade school. It shows what they really think.

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takeoff2011

Feb-27-13 11:49 AM

Due to the cost of inflation in our economy, it costs more "dollars" for any product today than it did even ten years ago. Whether you buy a pair of shoes, a gallon of gas, or a new home. From what you are stating, since you cannot vote to change the prices of these necessities, you will tolerate those outrageous prices. But, when you do have a choice in the matter, you simply choose not pay the increased price for the education of the children in your community.

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RPG0340

Feb-27-13 11:22 AM

The title of this letter to the editor is "Education must be protected." I agree with the title, just not the content. What the author really wants is protection for the teachers, and they don't give a hoot about the students.

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RPG0340

Feb-27-13 11:13 AM

@Takeoff2011.

Do I believe that teachers sought those benefits when choosing their profession? No. I believe most of them chose that profession for 3 reasons June, July , August. There are a few that really wanted to teach. The problem is that teachers actually only work 180 days a year or so. You read what Debray posted, right? Do you think $65,000 is mediocre pay for 180 days of work? That is $45.13/hour assuming they actually work 8 hours a day. Not satisfied? That is $361.11 per day worked. What a crappy job they have? Through an unopposed union the sky is the limit for them, the cost is passed on to the taxpayer. If taxes go up, they strike for a pay raise. It is a no win situation for the taxpayer until now, when the taxpayers decided to fight back with a "no" vote. The schools reacted with a punishment for the kids and their parents.

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Moteman

Feb-27-13 11:12 AM

takeoff2011 I don't believe it is not teachers and administrators intention to each into our pockets. If they don't why belong to a union and go on strike? Why do administrators raise their salaries every chance they get. They want more and very well know where that money comes from. You got to be kidding.

If they didn't want to get into our pockets, dump the unions, sign a no strike clause in the next contract, and pay more for their benefits.

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takeoff2011

Feb-27-13 9:51 AM

I find it frustrating to hear individuals shine such a negative light on teachers and other school employees for the fact that salaries/benefits/retirement is paid for by public monies. Those who take that stand should understand that they had the opportunity at some point in their lives to choose to join such a profession. They chose not to. Instead, they chose another path. There's nothing wrong with that. But don't think that it's the lifelong goals of teachers to reach into individuals pockets and take as much as possible. Such an opinion is nothing more than both ignorant and arrogant.

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debray

Feb-27-13 6:29 AM

I went to the Ohio Buckeye Institute and checked Edison Local, Pleasant Hill School. One teacher's salary is $65,930.00, estimated pension $43,513.00, they pay no Social Security, work how many hours per week? how much do they pay on their own health care? Do they have healthcare benefits after they retire?

Now I look at my $19,200. I will receive from Social Security that I had to paid into for the past 45 years and the $2,000. per year I have to pay in property tax every year for what?

Where can I see a budget?

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Moteman

Feb-26-13 9:58 AM

You will never get the budget At least not the real budget. Go get one at a board meeting you will find out real fast that their are costs they leave out and hide from the taxpayers, and before you tell me about the sunshine laws they ignore it. They know you don't have the money to take them to court to get it. GTFC is blowing smoke. Been there done that.

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RPG0340

Feb-26-13 9:57 AM

GTFC, my problem is the elimination of bussing. What good is a school if students cannot get there. If the teachers really cared about the education of the children, wouldn't they take a pay cut or sustain more layoffs if it meant kids would be educated?

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debray

Feb-26-13 6:29 AM

GTFC you say, "Also, Debray, the budget is passed out at every board meeting. Nothing is being hidden as you are trying to refer".

So where can someone find it if they arn't at the board meeting, is it Public Record?

Please tell me where I can see last years budget, so I can get my facts correct?

The web site says Edison has 2200 students and 236 employees.

What is the cost per student?

I know the cost to send a child to the Christian School is less than $3000.00 per year.

What is the cost to send a child to the Edison Local Public School?

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survivoroftheflood

Feb-26-13 5:23 AM

The voters were dissapointed in the teachers for turning their backs on the students during the strike in November 2007. What goes around comes around. Thanks Teachers.

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