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Edison levy deserves a ‘no’

January 27, 2013

To the editor: If you are in the Edison Local School District and you voted “no” on the 9.45-mill levy in November, you better be sure you get to the polls on Feb. 5 and vote “no” again....

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frannyandzoey

Feb-02-13 2:26 AM

We're sick of more taxes...bottom line. More school levies around here have little to do with better ed. for our children. It's just to line the pockets of county cronys and their contractor buddies. As far as sympathy for teachers, agreed, you've got one of the best gigs going around this area. Decent salary, schedule and plenty of vacation. Teachers can legitimately gripe about kids today, and their parents but that's about it. The rest of us who went to school as long as you and don't have the luxury of a govt. job with all your benifits do not want to hear you whine.

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RPG0340

Feb-01-13 9:17 PM

GTFC, I'm glad that you respect the taxpayer. If the district did the same, they'd understand that not everyone has guranteed job with a large salary. That a large tax increase may really hurt a family's budget. How about getting a measure on the ballot that would not burden just property owners.

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RPG0340

Feb-01-13 9:10 PM

GTFC, that teacher was whining to a degree. Their job is not difficult and they are paid well and do not have to deal with the weather or potentially hazardous conditions. Teachkids fails to realize that they are almost impossible to fire for any reason, including producing a substandard product. If you have one of the good paying jobs around here (Timet, the mill, power plant, Walmart, railroad, hospital, etc.) You might go to work tomorrow and return home unemployed, or knowing you will be unemployed shortly. I could have been a teacher but I did not want a job that I am not allowed to do. Preparing kids to take a state issued exam is not teaching. Teaching kids the principles of our Constitution and founding fathers, or figuring out how much lumber to do a project is. I do not live in the Edison district my parents and many friends do. I do know what happens if it passes, I live in Toronto and pay for my non-taxpaying neighbor's kids to goto a new school.

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Getthefactscorrect

Feb-01-13 4:57 PM

Moteman-Check the county board of elections website. There are THREE board seats up in November. My facts are correct. There were two up last election. No one is trying to punish the taxpayers. The State of Ohio law states how schools are funded. The districy is just playing by the rules. RPG-Wow. The teacher didnt whine about how bad they have it. They were just advising you the facts. In such, you could have had their job if you would have went to school to be a teacher. I appreciate every teacher, student, taxpayer, etc in this district. We just disagree. We will see what happens on Tuesday and go from there. Stay well my friends.

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RPG0340

Feb-01-13 12:10 PM

continued...

It is almost impossible to get rid of you if you do a substandard job, get arrested, or cunduct yourself in an unprofessional manner (not saying you do, and not saying everyone does a great job either). You also have a guranteed retirement plan. The rest of us have to cover our six, and make sure we are financially secure after our working years have passed. My point is this: you ain't got a bad gig, the sooner you realize that other people's lives are not all sunshine and rainbows, the better.

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RPG0340

Feb-01-13 11:59 AM

Teachkids, no doubt you are a teacher. Many, just like you whine about how bad you have it. Let's consider this aspect if you teach around here. If the parents of your students are fortunate enough to have a good job, they put in overtime, work double shifts, and spend many many more hours working in grease, mud, cold, heat, and around machines that can kill them than you spend in a climate controlled room grading papers, sipping coffee, and typing your thesis. When your property taxes increase, many of you band together and say in a collective voice "pay us more or your kids will graduate a year later." When our property taxes increase we have to put in more hours, spend more time away from our kids, or buy our kids less Christmas gifts. So, yes, I guess in a roundabout way you are a glorified babysitter. Why? Because we'd gladly do that job, but we have to pay your salary.

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Moteman

Feb-01-13 10:37 AM

GTFC your screen name is not true for one. Only two board seats are open this Nov. One is a guy whose first thought was to get the football field artificial grass. This says it all.

You took a screen name because everyone else does. That is so lame. I'll give the standard response, If someone jumped off a bridge would you jump too?

I just can't believe these so called educated people in the school district can't grasp a simple thing like , The people in the district are hurting many living on a fixed income and can't afford for their property taxes go up to this ridiculous level when the county keeps raising them every 6 month too. Get your money in a more fair way and don't punish the people that own property.Maybe tax Walmart distribution center or get some money off the people that got the big bucks from fracking.

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NoSupportThisTime

Feb-01-13 7:54 AM

What will Edison get with the new School Funding proposal from Gov. Kasich?

The plan ensures that the first 20 mills of local property tax generate the same as a district with a $250,00 per student property tax base.

E*** Valuation = $312,125,400 E*** students = 1,985 Valuation per student = $157,242 Edison tax revenue on 20 mills at valuation of $312,125,400 is $6,242,508. Proposed tax revenue on 20 mills at $250,000 per student is $9,825,000. (250000 * 1985 students = valuation of $491,250,000) $491,250,000 / 1000) * 20 = $9,825,000 Under the Kasich plan Edison would receive additional state funding of $3,582,492.

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Teachkids

Jan-31-13 4:57 PM

Now here is the math: My total hours worked in my nine months in school amounts to 2,230, not including professional development which, for the sake of ease I will not include. Now lets take a look at your average 40 hour a week person. 40 hours per week time 52 weeks is 2,080 hours...a whopping 150 hours less than me. But wait, I didnt count my vacation so I cant count the average persons either so lets take two weeks away. That brings us to 2,000 hours. I am pretty sure that if I had those hours, I wouldnt be criticizing those that do and commenting about how undeserving they are. You see, the problem is that people like you view people like me as little more than a babysitter. Problem is, can you find a babysitter with a Masters Degree or more to care for your child for minimum wage?

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Teachkids

Jan-31-13 4:52 PM

RPG: You said "The rest of us without 35 hr a week government jobs don't have the luxury of demanding pay raises." Well, lets take a look at that statement a little more closely. I arrive at school at 6:30 am each morning and leave at 5:00 each evening. That is 10.5 hours last time I calculated, which when multiplied by 5 comes out to 52.5 hours. Then, after I eat dinner, I work on some lessons or grade some papers or do some work for one of the classes that I take to keep my license. Lets be modest and add an hour an evening for that, which takes my total up to 57.5 hours per week. Now someone like you will argue that I get summers off so it all averages out. So lets look there also. I spend 8 hours per day for two weeks after the end of the year and 8 hours per day for two weeks before the beginning of the year, which amounts to another 160 hours total. Now here is the math: My total hours worked in my nine months in school amounts to 2,230, not including profes

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MajorMatt

Jan-31-13 3:28 PM

Please stop you crying about this levy. We pay social security, Medicare, federal , state, local, sales taxes and proprerty taxes. Because our generations screwed up do not let the next generation receive the raw end of the deal. If these youngsters can reap the benefit of my portion of the American dream so be it!!!! The school board represents the children NOT THE ADULTS. I personally could care less about the adults and your bickering. The local economy is not in the spitter the problem is lack of higher paying jobs above min. wage. The country wants to arm the teachers? Then they deserve more. You want to save money buy one less gun or box of shells. Or better yet give it to the teachers. Support the levy.

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Getthefactscorrect

Jan-31-13 2:55 PM

RPG- I understand your concern and I dont think the teachers are any better than you. Moteman-As I said before I can guarantee you that board members DO think for themselves. They justt dont happen to agree with you. Thats ok, this is America. You have the right to your opinion and they have the right to theirs. As for me being under a screen name, I figure why not. If you can do it, so can I. I was just tired of the same people on here bashing the district so I decided to support it. Once again, there are three board seats up in November, love to have you run. Once again, I appreciate everyones input and dont mind having a conversation based on facts. I encourage everyone to vote on Tuesday, express your opinion. It it fails or passes so be it.

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RPG0340

Jan-31-13 11:21 AM

GTFC, I am a college grad. I had $20k in student loans that I paid off what makes them better than me? My point is that if taxes and therefore the cost of living increases, teachers will just demand a pay raise next time they are up for a new contract. The rest of us do not have that option.

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Moteman

Jan-31-13 10:08 AM

GTFC why does every one resort to the same lame statements when they don't have a rebuttal to anther's statements or arguments.

Teachers went to school for a few years so they deserve more??? You hide behind a screen name kind of like you are doing GTFC? Do you know the meaning of the word hypocrite?

I also went to school to learn my trade. In fact I never stopped going to school for the 30 plus years I worked. So can I demand that the school district spend MY money in a more productive way? I won't vote for a levy until that happens. Also while hiding behind this screen name i feel that the school board works for the voters and I won't vote for a school board member that rubber stamps what the school administration wants. I won't vote for a board members who can't think for themselves. That kind of board member is not needed.

Get out to vote Tue. and Vote NO!!!!

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Getthefactscorrect

Jan-30-13 3:27 PM

I value everyones opinon on here and I guess will just agree to disagree. I know for a fact board members dont make a huge salary and dont do it for the money. The teachers and administartors also go to school for 4-8 years depending on the college degrees they obtain. Many of them take student loans out to obtain their degrees. Higher education leads to higher paying jobs. Those are the facts. In addition, there are many supporters of the levy in the district. As I have saide before, everyone knows the name of the board members and are welcome to come to a meeting. No one knows who the people are on here hiding behind their account names. Please feel free to run for school board next time. You all have the answers.

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NoSupportThisTime

Jan-30-13 3:06 PM

Go to this site to see what the Edison BOE in Milan, Ohio has negotiated with its staff.

h t t p : / / w w w.edisonchargers****/index.php?option=c 0 m_content&view=article&id=91:edison-teachers-and-board-reach-new-2-year-agreement&catid=4:general-news&Itemid=15

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Moteman

Jan-30-13 12:17 PM

LESS CHILDREN AND BIGGER SALARIES, VOTE NO!

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Moteman

Jan-30-13 12:16 PM

GTFC I ask you what is a representive gov.? We vote for a school board and theynanswer to the voters when they are up for reelection. I don't care how you vote,but I will not vote for any of the incumbent school board members. They won't come forward and tell the voters how they stand on a levy that had been turned down three times. i only regret that three of the members are not up for re election for a few years. GTFC I just got my property tax bill and it went up over a hundred bucks with out the levy. Why can't people get it through their heads the area is depressed and can't afford being fleaced by a school district that refuses to do what is right for the property owners and only care about their extravagant salaries.

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NoSupportThisTime

Jan-30-13 10:29 AM

Yes, the district has made cuts.. mainly through attrition and the fact that the district was overstaffed... It is not the “Revenue” side of the balance sheet that needs fixed.... If this levy passes the district has said it will only last 5 years... That is not acceptable for a 38% increase in taxes.... What will the district be doing in the next 5 years to solve the out of control escalation in the “Expense” side of the balance sheet? The district has indicated they have made Million in cuts since 2005, yet the actual expenses for the district are (2010 - $18,776,924, 2011 - $19,501,647, 2012 - $ 18,453,231) and the budgeted expnses are (2013 = $18,820,000, 2014 - $19,476,000, 2015 - $20,237,000, 2016 - $21,062,000) (you can see these at h t t p : / / w w w .edisonlocal.k12.oh.us/Downloads/5yrforcastfy2013.pdf

I believe the voters need this question answered by the BOE before this levy is approved...

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RPG0340

Jan-30-13 9:58 AM

GTFC, You say they have cut, and cut, and cut. That is what happens when budgets are tight. The property owners around here have tight budgets, why should they be the ones forced to carry the load for everyone? Are they not important? Why should they be FORCED to make cuts so that others do not have to? How about having the teachers take a pay cut so that all of us can share in the misery? You know as well as I do that if taxes increase the teachers just demand more money. The rest of us without 35 hr a week government jobs don't have the luxury of demanding pay raises.

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Getthefactscorrect

Jan-30-13 9:38 AM

Moteman, Once again I disgree with you. The voters elect school board members to make the best decisons for the school district. The board members must do what they think is right. I praise the Herald Star for endorsing the levy and congratulating the administrators, teachers, staff and board members for what they have been able to accomplish in the past four years without much support. Read the article, the facts are correct. They have cut, cut and cut.

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Moteman

Jan-29-13 9:34 PM

getthefacts you are wrong about one major thing. the school board represents the voters, not the school administratin. the voters have overwhelmingly turned down the levy three times. the school board should not be trying again as it is not the will of the voters.

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survivoroftheflood

Jan-29-13 3:08 PM

Back in November 2007 when the great teachers of Edison turned their backs on the students of Edison for 2 weeks. Remember? Most voters haven't forgot.

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RPG0340

Jan-29-13 10:49 AM

I know that board meetings are held, and I agree that voters should know the issues before heading to the polls. However, I disagree with the levy. People are taxed out, the local economy is in the spitter, yet the school district keeps putting a measure on the ballot that would increase people's taxes when their budgets are already stretched to the limit.

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Getthefactscorrect

Jan-29-13 9:37 AM

Wow. The same people are on here complaining every time a levy is up for a vote. The school board has montly meetings that everyone is free to attend where the levy was discussed and passed to be put back on the ballot. In addition, the superintendent was on News 9 about it. You all complained when the supporters in the disrict went door to door and conducted a massive campaign. Now you complain because they are not campaigning. The school board has done their due dilligence. As a voter it is your responsiblity to know what is on the ballot. Dont blame someone else. In addition, most money in any school district or business goes to salaries and benefits. That is not anything new. The school board was elected by the voters to make decisions that are in the best interest of the district and students. They have cut and cut. The only way to bring more money into the district is by a levy. That is how the state funding works. You may not be happy with it, but the facts are the facts.

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