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Change of venue requested

January 12, 2013

STEUBENVILLE — An attorney representing one of two Steubenville High School student-athletes who have been charged in an alleged rape case filed motions in Jefferson County juvenile court Friday tha......

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Jan-12-13 1:48 AM

Congratulations, Nate Hubbard, you just made ESPN (for blaming the rape victim)

"What else are you going to tell your parents when you come home drunk like that and after a night like that?" Steubenville volunteer assistant coach Nate Hubbard told The Times. "She had to make up something. Now people are trying to blow up our football program because of it."

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Jan-12-13 9:13 AM

Most of these adults make me sick to my stomach. I don't think Reno's a bad guy but he said he didn't discipline them because they didn't think they did anything wrong. You can not let teens govern themselves, period. Ignorance of the law is not a defense, once these boys are out in college they just cant say "Well I didn't think I did anything wrong" and get away with it and besides I don't think those boys are that stupid. You can hear Shawn McGhee in that video, he knew it was wrong and when he said something about going to help her those boys laughed in his face and started making fun of him. Does Reno really mean to tell the world that Shawn McGhee was the only one of those boys that was raised to know right from from wrong? That Shawn McGhee was the only one of those boys that was raised to respect women? It sure seems like that but either way if these "coaches" are trying to build character then when the boys do something wrong wouldn't it then be the time f

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Jan-12-13 9:46 AM

...for these "coaches" to step in and let them know why they're wrong? Shawn Crosier needs to be fired, if two of his students were arrested and sheriff deputies showed up on the football field and McVey says he's been in constant contact with police then how does Crosier expect anyone to believe he didn't hear not one thing about what happened to that girl until Westlake, Cole, and Craig testified. McVey said he had been in constant contact with the police so Westlake, Cole, Craig, and Saltsman should have been suspended from extra-curricular activities by the end of August.

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Jan-12-13 11:11 AM

Let's not forget. It is not the seriousness of the "allegations" It is the weight of the evidence that is paramount. For the herald star to refer to victim is irresponsible. That intimates a crime has been proven to have happened. There has not been a trial yet, thus the defendants are presumed innocent. The use of the term victim is not appropriate. Let us not forget duke lacrss or the case of the international monetary fund president Innocent until proven guilty

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Jan-12-13 3:05 PM

RSimpson, you praise Shawn McGhee for knowing the alleged crime was wrong, but he is just as guilty as Nodianos if they are guilty of anything. They both were in the basement while the alleged crime was being discussed, and neither alerted the police or sought help for the accuser. What good is it for someone to know something is wrong if they take no action to correct it?

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Jan-12-13 6:16 PM

I am not too sure about my following statements, if they are incorrect please feel free to correct me.

Juvenile court to my knowledge is not a trial with jurors. It relies on lawyers and the judge. So a change in venue would be worthless.

Says change due to fear of witnesses coming foreword due to social media concerns, I believe that that would be the case anywhere the venue changed to. Names would be the same, coverage would be the same, so whats the difference?

The classification of Defendant and Victim is irrelevant.

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Jan-12-13 11:48 PM

"Nemann has been quoted in media accounts of the case as saying he is concerned that the postings on social media may result in potential witnesses being reluctant to testify and invoking their Fifth Amendment right of self-incrimination in criminal cases." from the HS Change of venue requested article.....

Wow.... Are there others who should be asking for a letter from the AG???????

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Jan-13-13 7:28 AM

keep it right there in Steubenvill! That is where these animals raped the girl and they should have to pay for their crimes with a little public humiliation, after all, isn`t that exactly what they did to that young lady?

I will bet my last dime that the young lady had a sterling reputation before this.

Shame on ALL of Steubenville for wanting to cover up for the animals that destroyed this girls` LIFE!! I hope ALL of you ( and you know who you are ) lose YOUR reputations and are branded as rapists for the rest of your sorry lives!

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Jan-13-13 8:04 AM

Judge Lipps had already decided the media issue before and stated it was too important to the community to have it sealed off from the media. I have never heard of a change of venue in a case where there is no jury. Juvenile trials are decided by a judge so the motion should be denied on the 25th. Keep in Steubenville so the Kool Aid drinking locals can see who is the cause of this mess. Not Anonymous but the local monsters who created this mess. If memory serves me correctly in regards to the April rape case Mr. Mcgee's tweets about "It wasn't rape they were making love" also showed his knowledge of a crime in April taking place so I'm not going to praise him yet until April's case is brought to light also and shows the guilty in that. Unreal these kids put this out on social media thinking it would not come back on them. Sickening.

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Jan-13-13 2:10 PM

(Cross-post) Social media is the ONLY reason this rape, this despicable gang rape committed by a couple of Steubenville's finest and brightest, is receiving the attention it deserves. Steubenville officials were trying their hardest to keep this under the media wavelength. It is because of social media that the victim just might see some justice. Without the social media attention, she wouldn't stand a chance. I have absolutely no doubt of that.

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Jan-13-13 6:23 PM

Since this is not a jury trial what is the purpose of a change of venue? The same judge will be making the decisions regardless of where the trial is held. Maybe this is more about embarrassment or humiliation by those involved. A change of venue will not make a difference in that respect.

I don't believe any more public embarrassment could be brought than they have already brought to themselves and their community. National and international media, bloggers and commenters, the general public are not to blame for the embarrassment and public humiliation. Place the blame right where it belongs and give credit where credit is due. Those who were so proud of themselves that summer night in August that they felt the need to document their disgusting activities and put them out there for the entire world to see are the ones who brought the humiliation to themselves and their community. There is no one else to blame.

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